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Unacceptable Bob's avatar

Nowadays people relocate to the city because that's where the jobs and money are. When I was young, I chose not to do that. In my mind, the tourism industry in rural Quebec offered a better quality of life than the big city economy. As far as I'm concerned, civilization is rural and dotted with villages.

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Arthur Berman's avatar

I’m deeply skeptical that the Graeber-Wengrow thesis was simply an extension of Graeber’s anarchist-socialist ideology. But even on its own terms, the argument strains credibility. At best, it overgeneralizes from a few outliers—sites like Göbekli Tepe and Çatalhöyük—which were exceptional, not representative.

A seasonal gathering place for ritual, feasting, or drunken mating festivals is not a city. And calling these sites “egalitarian” just because we don’t see palaces or elite homes is misleading. Hierarchy can exist without stone monuments—through ritual authority, monopolies on knowledge, or informal power structures.

The broader idea that cities emerged from a neat, gradual accumulation of agricultural surplus has become a lazy meme. In reality, subsistence farming today rarely produces any substantial surplus—so why assume early farmers, with worse tools and less knowledge, did better?

Omer, Moav and Pascalis (2020) offer a more realistic account: surplus didn’t arise from abundance, but from coercion. Grain is storable, visible, and taxable—making it ideal for appropriation by elites backed by weapon-wielding thugs. Marvin Harris noted that the very idea of “surplus” is a projection—modern assumptions about wealth and efficiency read backward onto cultures that had no such framing.

The reality looks messier, more contingent, and far less egalitarian than Graeber and Wengrow wanted it to be.

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