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Fast Eddy's avatar

What could (and thus will) not be restored is material growth. We will enter an age of ‘negative sum games’, when year after year there will be less and less cars, houses, clothes etc. produced on a global basis.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

The financial system will collapse -- and the global supply chains will VAPOURIZE. You won't be able to buy a toothbrush.

There will be no slow descent. There will be a relatively brief period (which we are experiencing now) where massive amounts of stimulus delay the implosion.... then at some point the central banks push on a string.... and all hell breaks loose.

There will be no food ... so there will be epic violence... lots of murder and rape... and there will be cannibalism.

Of course there are 4000 spent fuel ponds that will be left unmanaged...and spew cancer causing poisons for centuries... more details here https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/the-utter-futility-of-doomsday-prepping

New Zealand is on the verge... as we can see they are shutting down entire industries... because they are running low on natural gas... too expensive to ship LNG there... and being an island there is no way to pipe it in from Aussie .....

NZ is doomed. We are all doomed. Nobody survives this

https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/nz-is-running-out-of-gas-literally

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Alternative Lives R Available's avatar

"The future is already here. It's just not widely distributed yet."

You are, of course, right in your broad analysis, but I think the devils are in the details..... For example, not all Western countries are equally vulnerable. Those that have built their infrastructure and economy on domestic fossil fuels, or easy access to them, are by now entirely dependant in the continued and uninterrupted supply, not least because the energy intensity of fossils is so useful and seductive. America is, of course, the prime example, but England and others too.

Compare this to, say, France, historically with few fossil reserves and expensive fossil imports, along with a strong post-WW2 urge to be independent and self sufficient in the essentials, like food and energy (and food is energy too!). Decades of investment in farming, for example, including many subsidies and protections for small farms and farmers, has produced one of the best food production systems in the world, with 30% of net production being exported. Also France extends across climate zones, so produces grains and vegetables in the north and citrus in the south, along with easy imports from Holland, Spain and Italy.

Similarly, today 70% of France's electricity is from nuclear and 15% from hydro (mostly tidal power), plus increasing investments in wind in the northwest and solar in the south. With cheap electricity, it has therefore electrified its infrastructure, from the high speed TGV 220mph train network and electric freight, to domestic heating, increasingly using heap pumps for new developments. If you add the next layer, electric cars and eventually electric trucks, and electrification of the extensive canal and barge freight transport system, then all together you can envisage the possibility of a genuine transition that still has the fundamentals of a modern society.

It is hard to see such a transition in America, both for your technical reasons, well identified, but also against a backdrop of an already fractured society and politics, as well as all those guns! America's infrastructure is already in decline, has not been updated with investment for a post-fossils age, and will never be due to the frozen Right v's Left politics. The end of net energy will likely fracture America for ever, perhaps even to a war within itself.

So the broader future may be inevitable, but the worst consequences may take much longer to play out. Which is, of course, why I have retired to France!

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