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Pintada's avatar

I cant help it. Reading this, and the previous post makes me think about space aliens.

Imagine any space alien that you want whether they evolved in a swamp, or a desert, or some other habitat, they would find themselves in the same predicament in which we find ourselves. Generalize your graphics above to model any planet anywhere in the universe and what conclusions inevitably follow?

1. The laws of Thermodynamics work everywhere in the universe, so any civilization whether there are (or have been, or will be) 5, or 5 billion such civilizations, must adhere to those laws.

2. No matter what the alien looks (or looked) like, or what the starting resource configuration was, their civilization almost certainly will follow the same trajectory as ours. At best, they were able to visit, and perhaps even colonize planets in their solar system.

3. There are no space aliens visiting earth. The laws of thermodynamics preclude it. General relativity precludes it.

4. Why is it that "the news" says that there are space aliens visiting earth right now?

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Tom's avatar

With around 10 calories of fossil fuel in every calorie of food and a 5-6% depletion rate after peak oil production, it won't take the depletion of minerals to start the 4 horsemen on their gallop. You are starting to view the interaction of key components and feedback mechanisms in a way that cornucopians fail to do. In essence you are embracing the thinking of Donella Meadows and LtG. since your simpler model only portrays a portion of the LtG, it may be easy for folks to "get it". Congratulations on some fine thinking and writing.

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