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Jim Jimson's avatar

Great article, but only one complaint.

"The takeover of carefully managed ecosystems and their turning into monoculture crops."

You write this as if the indigenous people of the Americas were somehow immune to overshoot, takeover, drawdown, and harmful/destructive ecological processes. One of the most well known examples is that they would burn forests down to encourage the expansion of the prairie as to increase the buffalo population. Is that not takeover? And besides that, there were fights, raids, and wars between tribes since time immemorial. Which, again, is a form of takeover as you have described it. The un-industrialized living of the indigenous people of the Americas was definitely better for the planet and more sustainable, it wasn't some idyllic environmental paradise. They had their own share of issues.

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Gnug315's avatar

This Prof. says an AMOC collapse would result in a -40c drop in one century, a fair bit more than your number https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHNNW8c_FaA

Other sources say it will vary a lot depending on location (which seems obvious)

A recent study sets the median year to be 2057 https://arxiv.org/html/2406.11738v1 but the cooling effects are buried in unattainable papers

What's our best guess to the cooling effects in Europe if the AMOC collapses? Any help much appreciated.

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