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shalay hudson's avatar

Isn't it weird how people seem to think that the digital world doesn't require physical resources? It's this bizarre level of dissociation from the fact that modern humans are really just teeny pieces of Earth's crust. Some of us trying to live reciprocally. Some of us fucking destructively around like cancer cells.

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Two quotes from B:

1) "The scarcities we face today are mostly due to growing demand for stuff outstripping stagnating minerals supply."

2) "The recent rally (and crash) of the price of silver thus raised many eyebrows, calling the stability of the global economy, and the status of the dollar in it, into question."

The scarcity argument 1) does have merit. But the price variability consideration in 2) is quite different from the actual physical amount of silver. The spot (bullion trading) price of silver is predicated on speculation by central banks and hedge funds, as well as the futures markets of the LBMA, COMEX and Shanghai Gold Exchange. In addition, it has been argued that China suppresses the silver price through various means and not just the central bank buying paper contracts. One example is buying silver doré and keeping the refined silver off the books. (Doré bars are semi-pure alloys of both gold and silver produced at the mine mouth and then sent off to the refineries.)

The gold and silver markets are stable over the weekend and this allows some speculators to manipulate the market. A couple of months ago, a huge sell-off happened in the middle of the night (East Coast Time) and the price crashed. Then a few minutes later, the amounts dumped on the paper market were bought right back at the lower price. This is entirely legal and it happened while most people in the US were fast asleep. A lot of money was made in an hour. The automatic price control stops only work for a set number of minutes, so knowing this allowed the speculators to accomplish their task. Who was it? We don't know. I watch several finance channels and listen to the bow-tied greedy finance guys every day. They have lots of stories about this kind of thing.

The point is that the spot price of silver is driven by the paper market, NOT physical silver or market demand. It is capitalism on steroids, especially as there are creative ways to defeat the AI algorithms. Oops. Nevertheless, the paper market drives demand too. If the price goes up, it increases the price of the raw materials for solar panels, smart phones and missiles. Silver is a better conductor and stays more flexible at cold temperatures in the wiring for missiles. B makes the point that the solar and EV industries are trying to reduce their need for silver per unit through efficiency gains. This too is driven by the manipulation in the paper market.

So what do YOU - the person who has to survive collapse on an individual basis - do? You have to stack silver and gold. I have been stacking silver for over 15 years and gold for the last two years. I just bought some more silver the other day after the flash crash. I lost a little bit through timing it too early, but I only bought 4 Spanish 5-peseta coins and 4 French 5-franc coins this time. In the long-term, I am so far ahead of the game that it is more important to increase my stack than worry about the price. Buy the dips in small amounts, dontcha know. My main concern is having a readily available precious metal in a traditional format (coins that were once used in every day commerce) so that I can buy food once globalization and the electrical grid are either out of commission or working on an intermittent basis. You don't need total collapse to make silver coins worthwhile. You just need the Baghdad template, where electricity is only available a few hours a day.

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