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Mark Bevis's avatar

I tend to use EROEI (energy return on energy invested) numbers to give some perspective.

Hunter-gatherers: 2:1

agricultural 'civilisation': 5:1

coal: 10:1 maybe 15:1

oil c1912: 100:1

oil c1940: 50:1

oil c1972: 25:1

oil c2000: 20:1

oil c2012: 10:1 (Uk was at 6:1 by this date)

oil c2023: 6:1

renewables and nuclear are clearly the same as whatever other energy system you use to build them.

I know many don't like to use EROEI numbers because there is no consensus on calculation, and can be fudged too easily by proponents of any particular system leaving out part of the end-to-tend calculus, but as a relative index I feel the numbers above are a reasonable timeline guide.

Basically we are a lot closer to reverting to pre-1750 feudal agriculture than we think. (Although the destabilising climate is about to say something about organised agriculture....)

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1. Most barnyard animals believe that the Ukraine War (temporary) is the cause of price spikes... they are not in panic mode because when the war ends prices will return to normal

https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/msm-finally-confirms-ukraine-war

2. Most of them are not concerned about running out of oil because they have been played https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/the-three-pillars-of-bullshit

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