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David Christopher's avatar

I have to ask: shouldn't industrial life stop anyway? I often read posts here and elsewhere (Richard Heinberg, Jessica Wildfire, Craig Tindale, Jem Bendell, Nate Hagens) that have an underlying implication that we should try to handle the economy differently so that modern life can continue.

But no matter how you slice it, our global economy is tearing the Web of Life apart . . . and collectively we're completely and thoroughly unable to stop this global monster from doing so, no matter *what* those of us who see what ought to be done think, feel, or want.

So, in a weird, frightening, and tragic way, isn't what the US & Israel are doing in the Middle East hurrying a process that is going to happen anyway (and *needs* to to happen, I'm guessing, from the standpoint of the living biosphere)? In his post that you quote, "Systemic Risk: A 12-Order Cascading Analysis of a Zero-Flow Strait of Hormuz Closure," Tindale says with regards to this war: "The whole world will be compelled to support efforts to bring this situation under control immediately." But Good God, to what end?!? So that we can drag out this modern industrial ecocide a bit longer and more comfortably?

And I ask this with grief and dread (Jem Bendell has a strangely helpful piece called "Don't forget the Dread," by the way). It's deeply, deeply disorienting -- what a small word to try to describe this horror! As a family man I'm not happy (okay, *terrified* . . . how am I going to take care of my loved ones?) with what is happening and going to happen -- but my guess is that from the standpoint of the rest of non-human life, this collapse can't happen soon enough.

I just wish we collectively had the wherewithal to execute something like Richard Heinberg's energy descent protocol and at least have a controlled descent, rather than an uncontrolled crash. But I don't see how the larger forces at play will ever allow that to happen.

Deep sigh . . . prayers to all.

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Thanks, Honest Sorcerer. I guess we’re done as a species. Nothing to do but heap scorn on any hopers, sit around the campfire with a bottle of bourbon, and be right about the end of everything human.

I could list all the planetary evolutionary bottlenecks and crises-for-us, that our species has navigated in the last 300,000 or so years, during which the planet itself gyrated wildly in climate and geography, to arrive here - but I’ve learned the futility of marshaling evidence against faulty premises.

I would encourage you to be more specific as to what is actually over. What cannot survive is our civilization based on mindless extraction. That’s fine. What cannot survive is our myopia as humans that cannot imagine that the ‘other’ has anything to contribute to us. Sure. Good riddance. What cannot survive is our arrogance as a species that has us distinct and separate ourselves from the natural systems of our planet. Great! What cannot survive is our childish Jungian perplexity, waiting to be ‘saved’ from responsibility, that is fundamentally unable to imagine existence and/or creation not revolving around us exclusively. As Kurt Vonnegut would put it, ‘So it goes.’

“J’accuse!”, Honest Sorcerer. You also limit yourself to the bounds of your own perceptions and reasonings. Which is fine. But you limit the rest of US to YOUR situational definition. How typically human. Here I take my leave.

Personally, I’m in a great mood. The current world geopolitical situation, dominated as it is by such latter-day malignant and toxic actors and systems that brought us all here, who desperately grasp for last-minute throw-of-the-dice salvation (from accountability), is coming to a completely predictable, miserable end. Fabulous!

Unfortunately, that means us humans have to get off our personal, cultural and civilizational duffs, and evolve OURSELVES. Into a species that is functional, in the higher sense that our survival now demands. One more time, as we will discover.

If you remain parked around the campfire, with a bottle of scorn for anyone else who is not as smartly contemptuous of your species as you are, then here I take my leave. Life itself is too interesting and fascinating and promising, at least for some of us, to remain there. Things just won’t be the way they were before. A small price to pay.

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