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Yes. I cite the figures that there are 1.4 billion cars in the world, and that 60% of a car's carbon footprint is in it's manufacture, regardless of how it is powered - oil, gas, water, nuclear, electric, or pulled by horses.

To expect all 1.4 billion cars to be replaced by electric ones all at once is just bonkers, and ignores the finite reality of the raw materials required to make all the electric fancy bits.

If all electric cars were as basic as a Citreon 2CV, we might have had a chance, but no, they have to have all the modern gadgets too. Have you noticed how electric cars also have, like most modern petrol/diesel cars - electric windows, electric boot opening, electric side windows, electric pop-up TV screens, powered steering, electric sunroofs, et al?

Anyone reading the runes correctly should be taking Dr William Rees' advice - start growing horses - not poncy race horses for the elites to gamble on, but solid draught horses that can pull your gutted engineless car and light trucks for as long as the axles and tyres hold out.

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Hi, Honest Sorcerer:

I'm a former R+D Electronics Engineer that worked at Continental GmbH.

Back in 2017, Continental switched gears to TAAS because as all european vehicle manufacturers, saw the writing on the wall. They are pretty aware of the Peak Car, like many other manufacturers.

I had a pretty powerful junguian sincroncity back then when I saw also that our plant would be closed sooner than later. In fact, it closed by 2021.

Situation with EV's is even worse than you write, and the recharging infrastructure is much much worse than anybody wants to entertain.

Here in Spain we had a total Net Zero in our electrical grid, because the so called renewables can't dispatch energy when required. That is another point when trying to recharge anything, but it seems that nobody takes care about what means a fast recharge an EV.

Huge chargers, huge chillers, increased battery weight to allow for the high power (350KW) handled by the battery. And the cost of the charger.

There are few thousand chargers scattered around, in the 30 KW range. Less than half are enabled because the electricity billing system here implies huge costs only to have it plugged. Costs related to the infrastructure required for such power.

And I've even refrained to enter the temperature issues with batteries, cars, and countries. But take a look at what battery technology is being used in which countries, as well as the trend towards increased use of heavy and low capacity LiFePO or LFP, high temperature, "low capacity" types of batteries, while the use of more energy denser and lower weight NMC (Nicke, Manganese, Cadmium) chemistries.

There is a whole world there to discover. Roland Berger has some reports than offer some insight into this if you are interested.

EV's will be the last nail in the coffin of the EU automotive sector. But keep in mind that EU champions useless legislation that is what is right now killing all business.

Is this legal burden (legal obsolescence) what is driving price of all vehicles in the EU high too fast (25% in three years).

Rising prices and lower adquisitive power (that is degrowing for more than a decade right now in UE) means that we can't afford to buy many things.

Peak demand, in short. But not a nice kind of demand: we can afford less things, as Gail already wrote.

Check electricity consumption in every nation in EU. Year over year, declining. That is not a signal of electrification, IMHO.

We are gettin poorer and poorer. That is the reason of the rise of many "right wing" parties (Peter Turchin has pretty nice theories about that, and I tend to think he is damn right on them) in the EU.

And, IMHO again, the reason why our "beloved betters" are gearing us towards war with Russia: that has many interesting points that favour this "solution".

Guillem/Beamspot.

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