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Mark Bevis's avatar

The devil is a fictional character in a novel called the Bible, so how can a fictional character "truly ran a game on you" or on anyone else for that matter?

"Now fuck off some more. "

No. Bully.

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You must be the Christian Taliban? As well as a bully.

Being an atheist with a science degree I'm fortunate enough not suffer the indignity of a belief system. Science, and knowledge in general, is not a belief system. It's an understanding, not a dogma, which you seem to suffer from.

"Now fuck off clown."

No. Bully.

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Joe Doe's avatar

Science... science is a belief system for 99% of the idiots claiming is not. What fucking scientific concept can you prove on your own clown? What degree do you have? Any engineering one? If not, you are a clown with no more understanding of real.science than a retarded 6 years old.

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Joe Doe's avatar

What about the total number of safe and effective injections you took, clown? Answer that first, pathetic piece of satanic shit. There is no point in arguing with any clown that took any of the shots.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I didn't take the shots... and how about those elves? I should have taken photos

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Joe Doe's avatar

I wasn't talking to you. I know you didn't. So now, sod off.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

And your god was created how?

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Joe Doe's avatar

That's something beyond your limited understanding.

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JavaKinetic's avatar

Is everything a lie? At this point, we have no way of knowing if anything is or not. Information Overload has taken root, and will not break until we get to the point that the only thing we can truly know is limited to what we can see and hold.

Thanks to the internet, we are essentially relegated to opinions. Your point of view is an opinion, as is that of anyone who disagrees with you.

Anyone can write anything on anything now. But, writing while frustrated, kind of takes away from the charm of suggesting that perhaps things are not as they seem.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I am ok with Joe Doe expressing his opinion ... the problem is... he does not provide alternative facts and logic explaining how oil was created...

Now Joe .. if you can enlighten us... that would help

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Joe Doe's avatar

Yes... oil only appeared due to decomposed lieosaurs. It's well known that the fauna of the planet outweighs the flora by a huge factor... You don't need fucking liosaurs to explain a biotic origin of oil.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Enlighten us further... I was thinking there are elves in the centre of the Earth ... making oil in an oil factory

If it's abiotic then surely the oil wells would all be refilling... but they are not

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Joe Doe's avatar

My point of view is formed based on analyzing and recognizing patterns others are not able to, or simply refusing to see so their false belief in good times gets destroyed. But hey, if after the last 5 years you still believe the world is that sold by those in control of the press and "science", there is no much one can do to open your eyes.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Odd that someone believes in Satan but that oil is made by elves

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Joe Doe's avatar

Less odd than someone seeing the lies of the injections, climate change, moon landings, actornauts but believing that those spreading those lies would stop there.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

hahaha... I agree!!!

I have been to the centre of the Earth and I can reveal that there are teams of elves down there in a massive oil factory ... they churn the stuff out and refill all the empty oil fields 24/7....

Their master plays high decibel techno music to keep them motivated

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Joe Doe's avatar

Blah blah blah.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Delightful!!!

Good riddance to the humans

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Max Rottersman's avatar

The big news, which I assume you'll cover in your next piece, is Saudi Arabia's new effort to kill off U.S. energy independence. They tried in 2014 but the technology behind fracking won, producing enough oil to counter KSA's production increases at capturing market share.

The Saudis are looking at the chart you showed of the Permian. If you have eyes you can see the Permian has plateaued--at best! Exxon says as much in its 2025 energy outlook. And of course, the simple economics that U.S. oil can't compete with Middle East oil in production costs.

Unless U.S. Oil finds another miracle I can't see how the Saudi's don't win this time. If they do, the geopolitical consequences will be such Americans will soon face a crisis of mind-blowing proportions, IMO.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

The US is not energy independent

And if the Saudi's tried to fuck with the US they'd get Saddamed.

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Alternative Lives R Available's avatar

Does this explain Trump's obsession with taking over Greenland and Canada? Have any fossil oil and gas pundits or researchers suggested that they contain frackable reserves that can continue America's fracking heaven?

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Fake

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Neoliberal Feudalism's avatar

Nice post, Sorcerer. I agree with you about Peak Oil and how it's been masked by fracking technologies and cheap interest rates, both of which simply delayed the end here. Alternative energies are wildly inefficient compared to oil/gas and the next best one, nuclear, simply doesn't have enough available uranium worldwide in order to go mass nuclear power. I think you would appreciate Grundvilk's writings discussing EROEI (energy return on energy invested), and he worked in the oil/gas industry: https://grundvilk.substack.com/p/milking-blood-to-keep-from-running

The one point I would quibble with is that I'm not sold on the biological origins of oil - the abiogenic theory makes much more sense to me...

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Hubbs's avatar

But it doesn't matter whether it's the abiotic vs anthropogenic model for the creation of oil. The fact is, neither is replenishing oil as quickly as we are depleting it.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

I can't wait 100 million years at the petrol station for diesel to fill up my truck!!!!

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Shadiya's avatar

Wow, you certainly get some random comments! Great article, thanks.

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NMwaterguy's avatar

Lots of data in this post, Sorcerer, to support your argument. I'm providing a supportive data point about the rising energy demand of energy production.

New Mexico's Permian Basin operators are disposing of about 1.7 billion barrels of produced water per year. Disposal in NM via high pressure injection wells is reduced by regulatory action due to earthquakes. Huge volumes are piped to Texas for disposal. High pressure injection in Texas has created multiple geysers spouting from abandoned oil wells, including dry holes drilled long ago.

The New Mexico Produced Water Research Consortium, a produced water treatment and reuse booster organization, says a new dedicated electrical power grid must be built for "thermal" desalination, e.g., distillation of New Mexico's Permian Basin produced water, which is 10 to 20 percent salt, so it can be disposed of by reuse or discharge to the Pecos River. The director said in December 2024 that about 50 large treatment plants would be required, with power requirements so large that the new grid would be essential.

A Texas consortium member recommended molten salt nuclear reactors, as is being implemented by Texas Christian University, for the new grid power source. The New Mexico consortium director preferred new combined cycle gas turbines. A professor who is part of the NM consortium said his cost model for treatment is $5 per barrel.

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NMwaterguy's avatar

error correction. Albilene Christian University has the Nuclear Regulatory Commission license, not TCU.

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Joe Clarkson's avatar

Global oil production is going to peak sometime, a fact known for many decades. It still continues to amaze me that despite this knowledge, the global market economy has been structured as if oil and other fossil fuels will last forever. How is it possible that such stupidity can be so pervasive?

I think the most plausible answer is the Maximum Power Principle (MPP). You may have already published a post on MPP, but, if not, I think your readers will be interested in one.

PS Please moderate the comments section for trolls.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

There is no alternative

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Mike Roberts's avatar

All organisms act as though the resources they acquire will last forever. Of course, none of them actually think that, they just access resources as quickly as their abilities allow. Humans evolved outstanding abilities to access resources. Yes, MPP explains a lot but is merely an emergent feature of all organisms, at least the (sometimes temporarily) successful ones.

The future can't be known, so the future can't be factored into what we do now.

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John Day MD's avatar

Global oil production peaked in November 2018, and is approaching that level again this year, projected to exceed it, but you know how projections can be: https://peakoilbarrel.com/2025/03/

US oil production has exceeded and remained above the November 2018 peak for last year and this year so far: https://peakoilbarrel.com/januarys-us-oil-production-drops-big/

There is the abiotic theory of oil, which sees it created deep in the earth and forced to the surface: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin#:~:text=Within%20the%20mantle%2C%20carbon%20may,by%20plausible%20reactions%20in%20petroleum.

This theory is favored by many petroleum geologists these days, especially Russians.

It does not mean a lot in a human lifetime, but might in 1000 years, depending on the rate of deep production. For our lives, it means going deeper, and in hard to reach places, like underwater and Antarctica. Those necessities are the same, and costly, and can only be done with advanced technology, which can be easily lost as industrial society is hard to maintain.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

What a fantastic post, chock full of factoids heretofore unknown to me.

The Republicons are intent on taking over Greenland and the Panama Canal for exactly the reasons you enumerated. The Arctic is thawing. Greenland’s ice sheet has gone fuckity bye. AnusMouthPantLoad is driven by only his quest for power and his greedy appetite. He is exactly the stooge President Elmo was looking for.

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JavaKinetic's avatar

Everyone is wondering just what the intended outcome of this administration is hoped to be. We know we are staring down the Thermodynamic Cliff. The world's economy of is starting to crumble, and the term Deglobalization is now gaining popularity.

So, what if the idea is to simply produce for the indigenous population what is economically viable? I think this is a valid approach to managing a much lower energy future. Perhaps by calling a spade a spade, and redefining what North America is ... what ever is being done, is not so unreasonable after all.

Alaska to Panama to Greenland; It would seem to be a pretty solid and efficient triangle. Other parts of the world will do them, and if everyone left each other alone... perhaps we can get to some kind of localised viable economic homeostasis before we collapse. Doubtful of course, but, perhaps its worth a try.

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Jonathan Provenzano's avatar

I believe we are witnessing the forming of new power blocks and or empires if people want to call them that. North America coalescing into one solid block in order to become economical self sufficient in the short term of course. Civilization itself is unsustainable in the long term and will collapse as oil and mineral stocks continue to be depleted leaving only those that cost more to oil/minerals to extract than the oil/minerals deposits will yield, thus being left in the ground for all eternity. We are witnessing the end of globalization. There simply isn't enough oil to maintain 6 intercontinental supply and manufacturing chains anymore. Globalization was a fool's errand in the first place. Eurasia might possibly coalesce into one solid power block. The "western" Asian states (Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan will be absorbed with little to no resistance as the USA will be unable to provide military or economic support - nor will the populace want to). People voted for Trump because they are aware that globalization is screwing them over and they no longer want to be the world's policeman as it is draining the country's resources. Isolationism is taking hold. South America will most likely form its own block with Africa forming the final block. I suppose Australia and the surrounding islands will form their own block. We are witnessing unvoluntary forced contraction of the world economy in real time. I believe the tariffs are an attempt at accelerationism in response to the end of the oil peak that occurred in 2018. World wide oil production peak in 2018 and has been on a plateau. Decline from the plateau is a matter of when not if. I believe the period 2025 to 2030 which B has written on before will see the end of the plateau and a permeant decline in yearly oil production. B has reported on various oil industry experts stating that by the year 2050 world wide oil production will be half of what it is today. We are living through the end of growth. All of the above I mentioned could possibly be done with little to no military resistance as it would be done out of necessity and survival, or it could result in massive wars. Its hard to say really. We are bearing witness to the end of industrial civilization which will play out within the next couple of decades. IF you have the means to do so, use what little time you have left to become self sufficient. I know Eddy is going to say its a fool's errand and he may be right, but going down while fighting to survive is more preferrable than doing nothing in my personal opinion. I look forward to witnessing this collapse with all of you in the following decades as long we are able.

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Naomi Chorney's avatar

And as internal energy sources are depleted, territorial expansion becomes the new m.o. for obtaining the required energy inputs to maintain the growth imperative.

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rhh's avatar

No mention of abiotic oil. Take a gander at Eugene Island 330 and make a plausible argument that dead Dino's and plankton are the reason for the replenishment.

https://journalrecord.com/1999/04/19/what-sparked-new-life-in-gulf-of-mexico-oilfield063/

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Jonathan Provenzano's avatar

Even if the oil did "replenish" the rate of replenishment would be on geological time scales. Hundreds of millions of years thus rendering abiotic oil a moot point anyway even if true.

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rhh's avatar

Care to tell me why a well will take hundreds of millions of years to replenish. I've supplied an example of replenishment occurring over a decade. Do you have any evidence or only theories?

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Jonathan Provenzano's avatar

Please provide examples of all currently capped oil wells refilling. Do you have any evidence of all oil wells around the world refilling or is a single article all you have? Please disapprove all the evidence of plateauing and declining oil production provided on oilprice.com and our world in data. Abiotic oil is itself nothing more than a theory, yet you speak of it as fact. As a previous commentator previously stated whether the oil is abiotic or bionic is a moot point because our rate of consumption is greater than the rate of replenishment. Again we are talking about geological forces which operate on timescales in the hundreds of millions of years.

Fossil fuels – coal, petroleum, and natural gas – are also biotic resources, because they are created from the decomposition of living organisms.

This is undisputed.

Abiotic is nothing more than a theory.

Here take a gander at this conversation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/pgfx6b/cmv_oil_is_abiotic_and_is_not_a_fossil_fuel/?rdt=49958

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Did not address EROEI. World wide oil production peaked in November 2018.

Read through these if you want.

https://energyskeptic.com/?s=peak

https://ourfiniteworld.com/?s=peak

You clearly do not understand what peak oil means. It means that "Peak oil refers to the theoretical point in time when global oil production reaches its maximum rate and then begins to decline. This concept is based on the idea that oil, a finite resource, will eventually be depleted, making it economically unsustainable to produce at current rates. "

Peak oil never said we would run out of oil.

It simply points out that harvestable reserves of oil that yield more oil than oil used in the process of extraction will be exhausted.

I never said we would run out of oil and minerals.

The deeper you have to dig the more oil and minerals you have to expend. Eventually a point is reached where further extraction costs more than what is extracted. Thus it will be left in the ground forever.

You have failed to disprove anything with your posts.

Yes, there is more oil. Lots of it. And most of it will stay in the ground forever because extraction will cost more than yield.

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The Honest Sorcerer's avatar

Mocking others and calling them names is not tolerated here.

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rhh's avatar

You make many assumptions and provide nothing more as evidence than your opinion, and that's fine. Good day.

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rhh's avatar

In theory, practice and theory are the same...in practice they are not.

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