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Alternative Lives R Available's avatar

Always great to meet a fellow optimist! 😬

One or two points I'd add. We are used to the idea or EROEI (Energy Return On Energy Invested), which is quickly reaching parity, but there is also the wider issue of fossil fuels being 'invested' in solar and wind energy, and electric vehicles and charging capacity, all with a much lower energy density. The energy equation means the actual energy that will be available for public consumption will soon be critically short.

In a 'normal' economic market model, that would mean that energy prices would rise fast and drastically, but obviously governments would step in to control prices and avoid riots, at least for as long as they could.

But governments do have priorities, especially for fossil fuels. The military, for example, always get first dip, so in times of conflicts (like we seem on the brink of) then fossil fuels might increasingly be reserved for the military, then the corporations, then the farmers and food producers and distributors, and only finally the general public. That could happen very fast indeed and, at that point, the fossil based civilisation crashes to a halt.

Part of that scenario is that fossil fuel production will continue past the point of zero EROEI, so more energy will be used to extract fossil energy than is available for use. It works if, for example, you use solar and wind turbines to power oil and gas well extraction and processing, on the basis that the oil or gas is more important. Such as in jet fighters and tanks.

As for the timescale; I see so many scénarios leading to cascading collapses that my personal assumptions grow shorter by the month. If we get to 2030 without cascading collapses, particularly in the USA (the most vulnerable fossil-based economy, I think) I'll consider us very lucky.

Interesting times!

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Pablo's avatar

Like if you have small kids and fear what the heck of a world they will live in just 5 to 10 years time

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